But all well get to know is from what you tell us, and how you tell it. Medical staff, firefighters and police probably have their own versions of gallows humor. Can someone point me to it, because surely you all dont hold a double standard around here Esau, And the best that Mr. White can do is say I won back in 1995! His disciples were empowered. James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. But its starting to look to me like almost everyone who White squares off against winds up feeling personally offended. I fully deny that we are a mob of homicidal murders. I despise James White and think he writes at the level of a college Sophomore (maybe a little better), but the pictures didnt offend me. Are you interested in alpha omega tattoo designs? What exactly is the big deal about Beckwiths return to Catholicism anyway? Your first sentence is a non sequitur. I thought that this was an apologetics website, but I see little apologetics going on, only fingers being pressed against ears while the big, mean protestants ask tough questions. The simple fact is: Jimmy is willing to be cross-examined in public on his own blog Alpha and omega are the first and last Greek letters, respectively, having meanings associated with philosophy and Christianity. James White (James Robert White) was born on 17 December, 1962 in Hennepin County, Minnesota, U.S., is an American theologian, born 1962. . In discussions lets not give in to anger but rather focus on charity. both Roman and Islamic View all posts by Jimmy Akin. The Question is, can they do anything about it? Youre not taking the time to read through Whites points, and youre not a simpleton. CatholicWayne: Ill choose to not read Dr. Whites book at this time. Just because you are getting an alpha omega tattoo, does not mean you have to stick to only those Greek symbols. Ignored the facts yourself by not taking into consideration the things James White has done But I didnt ignore the thrust of the argument. Shut em down now, Jimmy. Lisa, It is not a *relationship*. It forces the respondent to think critically on the merits. And this after washing his hands of us and coming back. It is true that there are alternative means of expressing frustration. and that is why your reply wrongly neglects the call given to you when you were joined to Christ. I have yet to see him list a point-by-point case from him on James Whites innocence based on the actual White v. Beckwith debate. I am not a protestant. I am not a Catholic. Because God is sufficient, we should slap our hands over our eyes about how He provided, and what that indicates. James White and Jimmy Akin have met on numerous occasions in a variety of formats and frankly it is White who ends up tossing red herrings to avoid dealing with the truth. 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So I wandered into a little restaurant/pub type place near my hotel in Sydney this afternoon to grab a bite to eat. If it is, I was hoping you finally converted to Catholicism or, at the very least, left our church. Not much difference there. that promised) Hebrews 10:23, Nobody can wayne However, an en masse mailing would be counter-productive for at least two reasons I can think of. just further proves my point. Had you been truly a fair-minded individual, you would consider ALL of the evidence and not merely this post (as it seems this is the only thing youve looked over so far) and only those things that seem to cast negative light on Jimmy Akin or rather how youve negatively characterized him. A. Briefly commented on the We had a technical problem at the start but managed to get in a full hour on the road once again, this time from West Texas. the King James Bible, but they're ok with the new Satanic Bible PERversions!!! Jeff Durbin is Pastor/Elder of Apologia Church in Tempe since it was founded in February of 2010. Name Server: CareBear: Nice drive-by. So youre so close to White that he confides his motivation to you? This is DISHONEST folks! Why is that offensive and JWs picture Just funnin . Isnt that a littleobsessive? And please stop mischaracterizing what I said. To His name be all glory. Not always edifying, but it sure had its moments. Think about this way: what if, in reply to the doctrine of inspiration, an unbeliever were to say to us: its either God or man; it cant be both. What we have here, technically, is an example of weak joke competence with no associated humor competence, in the sense of the terms as used by the linguist, Dr. Amy Carrell, who has done the most, to date, to characterize the initiator/target relationship of joke-teller/audience in humor. God is with us. I got a notification on my phone about an article posted by my daughter Summer, so I opened it up and began to read. Of course, I know both of you will continue on ignoring these facts, but, now that you have been informed you cant claim ignorance of the subject. While I dont wish to hurt your arguement against Esau, I wasnt refering to Catholics when I said enjoy the freakshow. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies. It is a manner of common decency and respect for the ones fellow man (I would say fellow Christian, but I know White has his own theory on that). Did you HONESTLY believe that folks here thought that whoever owns that .org addy didnt know the address he was sending the traffic toward? Do any of you really know anything about humor or about theology and humor or about humor reception? Labrialumn, People did this to James White. CareBear, Now I see you dont have any real reasons either except that he hung up on you in frustration after giving you an extended period of time to make your non point. 18:17). Dont poisen the well. So much for theocracy. This is why we should call the canon an artifact of revelation: It is not itself and object of revelation, but comes into existence as a by-product of the action itself. I would like to invite Evangelicals, including those who have been close to White, to both publicly and privately distance themselves from the actions of Mr. White in posting these pictures as an act fundamentally incompatible with Christian charity. On my websites I block referrals from several large websites such as digg and slashdot. I mean, Im a cessationalist, and I dont believe speaking in tounges to still go on. Blecchh. I assume you wouldnt try discussing theology with somebody wearing a Marilyn Manson Antichrist T-shirt. Jorge Just as Mary said. If its good enough to post on a ministry blog, then its good enough for the other media. He has authored or contributed to more than twenty four books, including The King James Only Controversy, The Forgotten Trinity, The Potters Freedom, The God Who Justifies and What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Quran. Why dont you just summarize it for me, if you think it has bearing on this issue. Whats worst is that these are the kind of folks that make Protestants look bad! to polarize and rally support. Dont you? Eric, oh the drama. Ah, you are looking the wrong way. One thing is certain: Jimmy can admit a mistake; I dont know whether James can. Hence, when you combine all that with an anchor and the alpha and omega, which also attributes to Jesus, it could translate to mean that your beliefs are strongly anchored in the teachings of Christianity. that should read White antagonistic to Catholics although in an autoimmune sort of way, I suppose you could say hes antagonistic to himself. As for the rest of the portion, I basically agree with the rest of the logic, but as others have pointed out, the overarching problem with Mr. Whites entire argument stems from the question HOW? If you believe what Could Mary/Foxfire actually be right all along??? I have four of my own to get in bed. [4] Early life and education Your latest comment, just like Churchmouses, is all too revealing: But to claim theres some comparison within Catholicism is a joke. 4. Isnt Foxfier the name of a Clint Eastwood movie having to do with a so-named secret fighter jet or something like that? Jesus Christ. to both publicly and privately distance themselves from the actions of Mr. White in posting these pictures as an act fundamentally incompatible with Christian charity. (Jimmy Akin) You have not even adduced any other body, let alone any evidence that it was indeed that body and not the Councils. Any more conspiracy theories you want to lay down on us, or is the cannabis plant calling? The person who cited the phony link was Guardian. Why would any Protestant create a phony link and then have a Catholic post the link??? We should err on the side of mercy and leave the justice to Him. Suspicious, eh? I get it now. Get beyond that and we need to scrutinize truth claim a lot more carefully. Your post was very interesting, but I had the mischievous temptation as in Finding Nemo to say something like You know, for an expert in humor, that wasnt very funny. My parents and loved ones dont blindly follow the work of an internet apologist, regarding him and his work with blind fervor and zeal, hypocritically asking for things that they themselves dont offer. And that, having ordained what is Holy Scripture, God will not allow us to misunderstand it. As I have asserted before, I doubt few here have actually ever litened to a White debate. That happens and that is ok. Jesus says, if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your transgressions. (Matthew 6:15) This does not mean that White does not know anything. ASU is a Pac 10 school. Tech FAX Ext. Way to major in minors there, sport. This is taking the idea of overturning the temple tables a bit too far. God help him; his friends clearly arent going to do so. Good idea, though. If you have a question, just ask Jimmy directly, the way everyone else does. That said, it does strike me as a tempest in a teapot. Not only were they telling about their attitudes prior to their creation, but they foreshadowed the actions of the specific group they were poking fun at ex post facto. Might want to go back to the start of it to follow the argument, rather than going off on tangents. He was also a critical consultant for the Lockman Foundation's New American Standard Bible. Please correct my misunderstandings of this argument. Funny, it looks a lot more like it than not putting the piece of paper out there. Im quite disappointed I read the whole thing and the Rejoice! gnostic-troll didnt show up. Clearly, some of us do misunderstand it, as there are many different understandings of Holy Scripture. I would have to re-listen to the broadcast but I cant remember being impressed by your argument. Okay, so I guess I am the only one here who had that experience. Not that Im asking right now. This is a little worse than that time you told that horribly inappropriate joke at worst place and time and everyone looked at you like you were Jack the Ripper or something. Actually, if he was influencing my kids and drawing people away from truth; you bet I would, in a flash. One does not have to (nor should one) bow to the masses in matters of faith, but this attempt at humor is a matter of the expression of a state of mind and one does have to bow to the prevailing sensibilities, here, as in all polite discourse. Other formats: Audible Audiobook, Paperback, Audio CD. The Jimmy Akin crew But its starting to look to me like almost everyone who White squares off against winds up feeling personally offended. And, as he is becoming more stupid, I can only imagine it as a sign that he is moving closer to Rome Name above all names Offensiveness can also, of course, indicate closed-mindedness. The one Gwen tried to hijack.). Its as simple as thatand the Jesuitical casuistry used to avoid that fact is almost inspiring. I am half-beginning to think that we do in fact deserve it. Keep in mind, youre suggesting he proclaims victory in every one of his debates. I choose not to rn out and buy Whites book. Youre mischaracterizing divine inspiration to fit your meaning in order to draw that conclusion, either you or Aquinas was. It was a specific instance of a humor piece by Dr. White that was at issue, here. Just leave the man alone; hes been hurt enough. Um, I have no idea what your comment, White is particularly antagonistic to White, means or is connected with. The Revelation of Ezra In other words, he owns up to his mistakes. and a D.M. (If anyone knows Frank Beckwith, you know thats his style of humor). Its not conditional. For I had heard how Anthony had been admonished by a reading from the Gospel at which he chanced to be present, as if the words read were addressed to him: Go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven, and come, follow me. and that by such portent he was immediately converted to you. Once we realize that it is Scripture, not mans knowledge of the canon, that is inspired, and that canon (infallible) exists perfectly in Gods mind, we can see the clarity and knowledge of canon (mediated) is not dependent upon human beings, councils, churches, or anything else in the world, but instead upon Gods purposes in giving us the inspired Scriptures in the first placedoes it not follow that God will both providentially preserve the Scriptures and lead His people to a functional, sufficient knowledge of the canon so as to fufill His purposes in inspiring them? CareBear, (But what a nice thread it would make, hint hint). lemmetry to summarize his points: The ongoing attempt by his followers to defend it is outrageous and disgusting. Youll need to prove that canon is a product of tradition in order to corner me into the Well since you believe the canon is right you need to submit to Tradition routine. James White reply: are you or any of your relatives, friends, aquaintences Romanists? White, J. R. Scripture Alone, Bethany House Publishers, Bloomington, MN, p.107. I feel if I quote anymore Dr. White is going to sue me. Bible versions are. Lets step back and take a look at ourselves and make sure were doing it right in Gods eyes. Just who is the accuser here, exactly??? If you want the general impression of the posters on this site to be like that then have at er. Were all tired of it. The brouhaha between the parties is of longstanding. I had always presumed an inferiority of the material that precluded its use in Gods plan. 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