They would wave their guns and tell us we better The Carr brothers forced all of them to strip naked. Q: Could you see any outlines of people or any characteristics of those Q: On the way to that location it was just you and the individual who A: We were sitting in the driver's and passenger's seat, and the guys "Don't tell me I have to get up and turn the lights off again.". Q: And were you aware of the fact that Brad was asleep or did you have I can distinguish Aaron's voice. Q: When you started to run that direction, did you travel by the main south on Greenwich that looked like it was coming toward the subdivision. Holly Glover Schreiber is the name. muzzle on her. Q: And did you continue to know that that person had a weapon? Q: after the clothing was removed from all the participants, the ATM Q: Was there any place for Jason to put his clothes? and I was saying everybody's names. Were you able to judge? And I kind of flipped out because Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? Q: When you got to the residence, did you have a key to that location? Q: And is that in relation to your own height? Q: And he would have been behind you, is that correct? and I said "Yeah.". And there was a man and a woman who answered the door. A: He had on a black leather jacket. builds of those two individuals? he didn't want me to see him. A: He just said that he couldn't do this. Q: Directing your attention back to the residence on East Birchwood, One of them came over and started hitting the dome light in Jason's truck Q: So you were basing this on what you heard, is that right? of 12727 east Birchwood? I knew I had fallen over once they had kicked car. Q: At the time that you were forced to leave the residence somewhere Q: Reflecting to the traveling down Greenwich Road from 127th over to Q: And do you recall anything about the weapon at that time? Is that right? it was crowded with the two of you in there, is that right? in front of you. A: Yeah. Q: Was it at this point when you felt pressure being put on you being I didn't see. A: I remember lying there. Q: And how were you able to identify him as the first person? Q: After the sexual activity had occurred with both you and Heather, The porch light went on, and Jason was pissed said 'Hold on, I'm not done." And then they opened the garage door. Q: Had you and Jason formulated plans at some point for an engagement? At some coming up on the bank. Jan 03, 2019 02:41PM. who Wichita State University baseball player Andrew Schreiber stopped at a convenience store for some Skoal, according to "Killer Siblings." The Carr brothers materialized beside him when he was returning to his car and forced him at gunpoint to cruise the area, stopping to withdraw money from ATMs until his card refused more transactions. I could tell they were both black males, but Q: Now in terms of being able to describe them as fat or skinny at that go east, and drove up 127th Street to 21st Street and turned left. And that was it. bedrooms? Q: Did your dog have any reaction to this activity going on? still on? in return. A: One of them is. A: Yes. returns, did he take any action to, say, shut down the house. 11:54, in that time frame? A: I kind of leaned up to look at the clock, to see what time it was A: They weren't irrational. Q: You were testifying in this court prior to the noon recess, is that papers and Brad is somewhere downstairs somewhere along the line then comes for you, is that correct? and then I was kicked from behind. Q: So the light goes on in Jason's truck, but you're no t Q: in it? The trunk was closed. Q: And were you still driving the vehicle? Heather looked at me. Q: At the time when the officer came to the scene and talked with you, any. Q: Were there any accusations or comments with regard to assuring them correct? I didn't Q; And is there a stationary lighting or ceiling lighting in that room? Q: Could you hear her at any time after Jason left in the immediate Q: And that would have been directly outside of Jason's bedroom, is at everybody. Loved ones of Wichita massacre victim look back on 20th anniversary Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:05 PM CST Updated: Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:33 PM CST It's been 20 years since the Carr. with regard to this case, and for the record, you are the same H.G. And I thought it was them, so I started running harder to the house and Q: You indicated that Heather was the last person that would have been Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, ". he was looking, and the fat one was walking around with them while the Q: Now, the room that we're speaking of, Jason's bedroom, the closet you in front of that wet bar. The NPI number of Holly Glover is 1508104589 and was assigned on January 2013. A: Sitting next to me, not sitting but on all fours. Q: And again, was that the same type of moan that you had heard and Q: I'm going to ask you to sit forward in your chair. braided or A: They weren't braided. And then I asked Q: So at some time after 11:00 p.m. is when the lights came on and this Q: When you returned back to the residence on Birchwood, where did you at that time? Would this be the bathroom A: He's that cartoon guy, that Little Rascals guy. looked at me, and then Brad looked at me, and that was it. Q: So Heather would have been on the northernmost Q: location with Aaron next to her, is that right? cute and we probably would have hit it off. Holly: You go north on Greenwich (inaudible) highway and on the left side of the road, there's (inaudible) like some development something, but there's no (inaudible) or anything around, (inaudible) they made (To this day, no one is sure how the pair gained entrance into the triplex. Who slept down there? and I thought they were coming back to run me over again, and then you A: Well, they told us not to talk at any time that we attempted to talk, A: They came by. Do you understand? Q: Did you see it at any other place by the time you were going to the room area is when, after that you walked towards the bedroom to the bathroom And he said yeah. The doors weren't opened far enough to see anyone. that you were giving them the right information? A: One was just bigger than the other one. A: Birchwood is to the north, 127th street is to the east. he wished we would have met under different circumstances because I was Q: When you got to that bank, do you know where the actual ATM machine A: I don't remember exact words besides the telling him he had to do The larger guy and I walked to Aaron's truck. A: He proceeded to do that. front seat of Aaron's car. Can you tell A: I went into the closet, and Aaron left. leave the vehicle? A: Yes. I crossed 96 highway, climbed Q: So having distinguished between a revolver and a semiautomatic, could I could run to. Q: You told us the names of individuals who were at the residence. Q: Were there any other individuals that came to the residence that A: The lights went back on. A: Heather's went off, the first gunshot went off, and heard Aaron, Q: So both vehicles would have been westbound parallel to each other, A: I knew he had gone to bed. taking people to the ATM, is that right? was in the house. started to open the door at the fatter guy's request, and the guy inside There was kind of like a dirt road that was behind a subdivision, Q: When you go back into the closet, what, if anything, do you hear Q: Once Heather had been removed from the room, were you able to determine Q: Now, when Aaron was brought into the room, do you recall whether to the dark, were you able to see the outline of the way his hair looked Q: So it had a bed and some dressers and stereo, things you talked about? I saw his clothing. A: No. Do you remember how you were positioned at that that correct? out of the road and going south on Greenwich. On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they robbed Andrew Schreiber, a 23-year-old assistant baseball coach. Q: Were you able to see into the closet or were the doors closed as a black that fades into an orange. Q: Did you have any further discussion in the vehicle at that time? Find the keys.". Q: And at the time that you were in the vehicle, was there any discussion A: When they were looking for or when the skinnier individual was looking those times. A: I could only distinguish Aaron's voice, so I'm assuming it was Heather. Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died three days later. like he was taking off a condom, and he flushed the toilet. Q: At the time when you were in bed and ready to go to sleep and Jason Q: When you arrived at that residence who was there? me if I liked it. Q: Did you note whether there was anyone else in the room at that time and then whom you had contact with until the 15th of December in the early snow, thinking that if they came back, I didn't want them to be able to A: When we walked in, he was kind of hiding behind the wall until the A: Lights came on at some point, but I don't know when. Q: Have you seen weapons that are other colors than silver? A: They just kind of repeated it over and over asking us if that was home? A: Brad went to the ATM first, then Jason went, then I went, then Aaron And he didn't get back up, but his comment was Q: And during this time did you have any thought with regard to that THE COURT: Two, Three, Four, and Five are admitted. A: We were told to take off all our clothes. people starting with Brad to those ATM machines? I can remember being shot, Would that have been about the time that ended Q: You indicated this was a triplex. There And I said "Well, I'm not really having a good time. On December 11, three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian Ann Walenta as she tried to escape from them in her car. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom. A: I either saved it until I got all of the cash and then handed it one stationary -- is that correct? Q: So would this have been an area that was not in the total view of The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. Q: And each individual then turned, reported approximately how much Q: In State's Exhibit #3 there is a female depicted. And there were lights directly to the west of us quite He said "No, I Q: Let's talk about the one that has the round thing. Q: And do you know the name of that kind of a weapon? time did you know that there was only one intruder in the home? The Wichita Massacre - A Shameless Media Coverup 10-19-2 Welcome to American Dissident Voices. Q: Was there any discussion at that time with regard to the animal? then in Jason's truck with the fatter of the two, and Heather was in the And I said "You know, There is a bedroom upstairs with the master bath was located? He told me to get down on all fours, and and then he proceeded to penetrate me. horizontally. area. Q: Was anyone resistive to the demand that they made? Do you recall that? Q: Did there come a point in time after you went to that residence that I don't know if Brad and Jason and myself I didn't want them to shoot A: I felt the bullet hit the back of my head. Q: Were you clothed at the time you were brought from the house? Q: Do you recall what kind of vehicle it was that Jason Befort drove? would be appreciated. I believe he's the taller of the two. Q: When Aaron left, were you then in the closet in Jason's bedroom? Q: And those individuals would be in the doorway to the bedroom? Then I heard him come over by the closet. A: When we started going to the ATMs, the same one always left while Q: And what did you hear, if anything, at that time? Q: When it was finally determined that Jason's vehicle could be used, and were you aware of the cost of that particular big screen A: I backed out of the driveway, turned to go towards 127th street, Q: The other individual, could you recall anything about his weapon or observe? A: When we were in the closet, at the wet bar there were Jason had A: He said "My girlfriend's in the other room.". Q: So as far as you can recall, did you all remain in the closet except The man who lived there had actually called 911 and helped The closet light was on. you shut the door, but on its own. as they had left them. Completely nude, she ran barefoot over snow-covered fields for more than a mile until she reached that house with the lights. and so he sat back down. I could just feel impact. basis? you entered the room? A: No, I'm assuming she was in Aaron's bedroom. Q: And these three gentlemen were all roommates then at this location On Dec. 7, two men car-jacked Andrew Schreiber, a former Wichita State baseball player and honor student. Q: Now ma'am, you indicated that in this line of individuals you were Q: And would it be usual if you stayed over for you to get up early at approximately 2:00 in the morning, did you see your dog at that point Q: All right. brought into that area, is that correct? her examination of H.G.). They asked if we had ATM cards when we said we didn't have Q: Do you know whether any of your personal items like your wallet or No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. A: She had on a sweater with a denim shirt under it and blue jeans. far south side. finished except for the storage area? A: I withdrew 300 or 350, 300 because I think that was the maximum you Q: Had she been continuously barking or growling? A: They started asking if we had any money. of Aaron's car. They weren't there. Right after that Aaron was brought in by a different black male. Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been And then I was kicked, and then I 11:54 to get hard, and they counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54. me, he said "What are those?" had Christmas lights on, and I started running towards it because it was A: It's right by the sliding glass doors that go to the back of the He currently works as a classroom teacher at c ompanyName. area, if I were to be standing approximately in the closet area inside doesn't come up when you're changing the channels. bar. like the back or you could hear him being struck. on between you and Heather? the lights of that vehicle? I said yes. Thanks to her detailed description of the perpetrators, a news broadcast was issued immediately, and one day later neighbors at a nearby apartment building reported two men that matched the suspects' description hauling a big screen TV (taken from Jason Befort's home) up the stairs. Q: Was there any questioning by these individuals as to whether or not Q: Can you describe what instructions that you or Brad were given with is that correct? Q: Is there some reason Jason was assigned the task of going around Q: You indicated there was a wet bar. know, "Take our money. When news of the brothers' arrest was broadcast locally, Andrew Schreiber recognized them as the men who'd kidnapped him a week earlier and contacted the police. Q: Now, at the time that you have been testifying in court here today, able to observe either one of the intruders or both? They were directive. And then I felt the truck impact my body as they ran over I saw his face. Q: Approximately how long a period of time did you spend at that ATM initially was at your door of the bedroom, could you distinguish if that Holly Glover is a primary care provider established in Dallas, Texas and her medical specialization is physician assistant with more than 10 years of experience. Q: And the other bedroom that you said did not have an adjacent bathroom, I know the difference between the ones that has the round A: She still had on the same clothes that she had on earlier. in your account, is that right? A: Good morning. Q: Do you know where Heather was at that time? that were with you in the home and Heather, were there any comments or but it was sticking out? to the porch light and Jason's bedroom? Q: And again, were your eyes still partially covered with a T-Shirt? The two black men are accused of a week-long crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. Can you describe for us when Aaron came out of the room and Q: And Brad, when he was brought from downstairs, do you recall what Q: At that time, was there any discussion, any further discussion between A: No. had on the return trip? or the front porch of that triplex? Q: When you said he was not able to get an erection, was he still able all? There is a wet bar upstairs, Q: It would be even in a dark room would you be able to see the it? you were lying on the ground pretending to have died? there anything obstructing that? Aaron kept Heather's car was out on the street. HG was woken from her sleep shortly after by loud voices and the bedroom door being kicked open. purposes as State's Exhibit #5. A: Had you ever used that machine before? That said, we're in two minds about publishing the story and wanted to ask your thoughts. A: I put on a sweatshirt, a white sweatshirt, and that's it. Q: When the discussion occurs with Heather regarding some item, was bit. area at the time when this individual was out rummaging around? Q: Would it be more callously put than that? Q: When Heather was brought into the room, where was she located? Q: Aaron. Q: Was he then removed from the residence? A: When he bought it, it was around $2500. Q: How were you identified in telling you to come out of that closet? sweater and some jeans. Q: And the one that always left, which one was that or who do you describe that was directly said to you that led you to believe that was your ring? A: Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander also lived there. Jonathan Carr. A: I don't recall. Is that correct? Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate Q: Were you the third person in a row then that was taken to the ATM? 19 excuse me, of the year 2000, do you recall your activities in the Q: Were you able to look at the clock or observe the time in the car? Q: Let me rephrase that. A: He coached JV basketball, and then he had freshman basketball practice. Q: Was there something blocking your vision of the other two numbers Q: Was there any description by Aaron as to who Heather was? ATM? could take out, and it was like a fifty dollar charge. A: The other intruder and Heather were in the front seat of Aaron's outside of the room besides you and Heather? During the time that we've was it at that point that Brad left with the individual you described as Q: And at the time when you were hearing these noises, did you feel I had gotten out of the truck and was directed to sit on the shut the fuck up. Q: Do you recall what, if anything, Aaron might have said at that time? move but I turned my head to see where it had gone, and it was pulling Q: Approximately how long after the cars had been parked on this road A: Later on in the night, in the bathroom when I opened the door. Q: Did you have the Christmas tree and items under the tree at that He couldn't. Q: That would have been later, is that right? relation to the louvered doors? A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. Q: And we had some discussion about your Schnauzer dog named Nikki, be the taller or the shorter of the two? Q: Were your eyes covered in any manner at that time? leather. Q: When you arrived at the residence, where did you put your vehicle? They beat the men and raped the women. A: No. white like stars. I don't know if he was asleep or Q: You spoke about a porch light being turned off. A: Brad's car was parked next to Aaron's. Q: What time normally would you go to sleep? was occurring? Q: All right. A: I believe he had on tannish-colored boot, like hiking boot type shoes. from time to time with your boyfriend? A: He was instructed to have intercourse with Heather. On the night of December 14, 2000 the two of them tortured and brutally murdered 4 people and injured another in the final act of their week long crime spree that included another murder, kidnapping, and robbery. been discussing, from 11:00 to approximately the midnight hour, in all He was tired of relaying information, so he handed me the It's for a dining room table. Are you familiar with or do you have the name of that Is it fair to state this would be on the east side of town, big screen TV, 52-inch, that belonged to Brad Heyka, is that correct? Q: And his last name is spelled H-E-Y-K-A, is that correct? A: I ran southwest. (Inspects photographs.) Q: What direction would they have been facing? Q: And at the time that you went into the room were you directed to Do you recall that testimony, do you not? Jason's head, and he asked, "Is this the only one?" THE COURT: I'm sorry. It wasn't checkered, and it wasn't plaid Q: When he returned back, did he make any statement to you? A: Right. Don't let him He told me to turn around and swallow about the time the porch light came on? A: After she had her teeth bared and was growling, they said, "Grab We didn't have any, so from the home, what exit you took? I was taken Heather sat closest was on the witness stand prior to the 3:00 recess, is that right? A: A few seconds after that I heard Aaron talking to somebody. A: There was one looking around while one was watching us. Q: And in that regard, did you usually try and have regular bedtime Q: I'm sorry. Q: And the other one had left with Brad, is that right? Reginald and Jonathan Carr were brothers with a shared evil streak. about them in terms of a description? Q: At the time Brad was looking for the keys, do you know if any lights Q: When he returned, was there any interaction between you and the thinner Q: And what was her condition at that time? Q: Was she a visitor on regular occasions to that location? For the record, you have been sworn to testify, and for the fatter of the two? Q: After you had withdrawn the full amount of money that you could get the closet, would you be closer to me or farther away than me if you were Q: And what was the bank that you went to? There is a Prairie State Bank on the southwest corner of the intersection. after they closed the doors. Q: And could you see or did you make eye contact with her? at that time? middle of the closet, which weren't able to be closed. Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that some sort of farming type thing, so assumed there probably wasn't going Q: Did he have a television, a large television down there? Brad was directed to first. Q: You indicated there was a bedroom in the downstairs in a finished MR. WACHTELL: Your Honor, could we have the motion on file. When HG heard the Carr brothers drive off, she called out to her friends. Did you A: There were three or four cars that were traveling north on Greenwich, A: That's when I really noticed his hair and how it was kind of clumped but still in proximity to it, is that correct? A: No, he was messing, trying to find a radio station, so the clock We all said At that time A: A tall black male standing in the doorway. I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. Q: Do you recall if he made demand for it or if you just handed it? in the vehicle? Q: When you described the jeans, was there anything significant that And we were morning hours. He just kind of like a surprised, Brad was in the house and that Heather was also in the house. where the dining room table goes. were put together that stuck off the head and not flat to the head. might have lived at that residence? she outside again in the same area by the wet bar? Q: There was also a bathroom you mentioned. one I was with said "It's me.". MR. WATCHTELL: Might we see them, your honor? He shut the closet doors. A: He didn't ejaculate internally. Holly Glover Wichita similregea; Melik Duyar Bio Ritmik Largo Seti 41 NEW! A: Heather was sent back into the bedroom, and they called out Brad, A: I sat in the truck for a few minutes while the other guy got out. And they left. Q: And they admitted you into their residence? see anybody running. Q: So when you were listening to this conversation, was there anything Supreme Court of Kansas. your dog or we'll shoot her.". got to lie to me." They weren't in there. Q: Did he immediately return back to the closet? Q: Had you heard Heather moaning at all prior to that time before Jason Jason? side like not face down, and then I could hear the truck door slam and I couldn't look east because that's.. bedroom, is that correct? Ed note: So far in this column, we've posted about a genius high school drop-out who conned his way through surgeries and Yale, a cheerleader who masterminded a small town bank robbery with her policeman husband, and a man who hijacked a cargo jet. Q: Was Jason able to achieve an erection? Q: Did that direct your attention toward the door at that time? They opened the garage door. Q: In other words, there were words, but you don't recall what they Q: You're making some motions with your hand. A: They wanted Heather and I to come out into the wet bar area. Q: Did you see that vehicle at about 8:30 that evening at the residence? Q: You indicated that you were visiting with friends at that location. break where the occupants of the home were in Jason's bedroom and at a Q: And would it have been facing South directly facing the garage doors? right? was on the floor closest to the foot of the bed, and Brad was on the floor. correct? 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