Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.3b33fc17a17cec1345d4_.css.map*/[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Obeka has been the hardest nut for me to crack deck wise. After looking into the rules surrounding loops and using the best of my judgely knowledge, it does appear to work, but I can't find any specific mentions of the situation on oracle rulings, or threads of the interaction in general, which seemed odd to me, considering the strangeness of this interaction. Doesn't work at all. If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. It's akin to "concede or I stall". I learned this was against the rules when I'd shuffle my deck for free with a loop in my old Izzet deck, then try to do it again after peeking at the top card with a permanent's ability, but I was told by a player i could not due to the "you are re-looping" rule. So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. This includes spells and abilities . If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. yeaGO i was thinking for commander wise Crosis, the Purger, Lord Xander, the Collector,Marchesa, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I've chosen one to mark as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. Bident of Thassa is glorious if you want both of it's effects, forcing people to attack is incredibly mean, and this doesn't require you to run a weenie like Goblin Diplomats, but that's also a fun card fwiw. 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite). (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. The active player is the player whose turn it is. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled (C.R. This sounds wild, and awful to play against. 3) State-based actions are checked. The beginning state has Obeka untapped. Delina, Wild Mage has an effect that creates a token with an ordinary triggered ability, which says "Exile this creature at end of combat" at the time of this writing. Active player is distinct from priority. Likewise, "[do something] at end of combat" (e.g., in myriad [C.R. Terms of Use | Go ahead and say nuh-uh to whatever shit is flying in your face. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. A player is one of the people in the game. Flip) to ensure you can consistently cast stuff. during the end step and while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again (C.R. As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns. Magic: The Gathering. ._1aTW4bdYQHgSZJe7BF2-XV{display:-ms-grid;display:grid;-ms-grid-columns:auto auto 42px;grid-template-columns:auto auto 42px;column-gap:12px}._3b9utyKN3e_kzVZ5ngPqAu,._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px}._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP:before{content:"";margin-right:4px;color:#46d160}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{display:inline-block;word-break:break-word}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-weight:500}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-weight:400;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin-top:13px;margin-bottom:2px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO ._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;margin-right:4px;margin-left:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y{border-radius:4px;box-sizing:border-box;height:21px;width:21px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(2),._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(3){margin-left:-9px} The same applies to abilities that begin with "At end of combat, " (e.g., [[Kytheon, Hero of Akros]]), and the same applies to delayed triggered abilities that specify a duration, as in the examples "Until end of turn, whenever" and "Whenever this turn, " (C.R. by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post I'm sure no one else is too surprised though . . Also worth noting is that ending the turn before the end step causes the At the beginning of the end step effects to trigger at the next end step that occurs since they were not triggered given the skipping of the end step. Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. slythr: Answers to your question have been up for a while. I figured since the tournament rules stated that the word action could essentially be substituted for choice when resolving loops it would also apply here. Commander / EDH* Casual Combo Haste Jank Multiplayer Reanimator Theme/Gimmick Tokens UBR (Grixis) Unearth. Out of stock. Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. I use Mass Diminish more aggressively, to make a player hyper-vulnerable to attackers (and make them unable to counter attack), getting two casts is just savage. Here is how it would work. As with "beginning of the next end step" abilities, if you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while a "beginning of the next cleanup step" ability is on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again. Then I talk about the interaction with extra turn cards in the "Extra turns" section. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. In response you, as the active player, activate obeka. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. obeka, brute chronologist ruling. 1x. Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? But as the loop initiator, you are going to have to choose how many times you continue your loop, right? Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. The gamestate has now returned to where it was before. I think I have a much better grasp on it now and we wont be confused the whole time we play . I don't believe this means that they then have to choose differently, just that you shortcut to their xth choice. 603.7). Ending the turn skips directly to the cleanup step of the turn. So, if I may ask, say I want to Final Fortune for an extra turn but also get bonus mana from Thawing Glaciers during that extra turn. @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} Edit: adding comprehensive rules reference. 1x Blightstep Pathway. Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Average Deckbox Price. 11/10/2020: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. All in all, lots of Magic on my mind. 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Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. 2020-11-10. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. 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Rulings. ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? 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Commander Color Restriction Rules w/ Component Pouch. Playtest v1. RULINGS. Help | It is strictly against the rules. It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut. Okay, hear me out, but what if you could steal someone's big, bad creature, forever, for just three mana*? I would even argue there is no loop to propose. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. 2020-11-10. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Rulings. 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). This site is unaffiliated. Using Obeka to end the turn with the "until end of turn" triggers on the stack does stop those triggers during the first cleanup step but do those triggers still trigger again at the next cleanup step that follows? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Card Kingdom price: $0.00. 603.1, 603.3). Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. Let's say I'm on my second turn off a Final Fortune. obeka - (G) (SF) (txt)sundial of the infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)._3K2ydhts9_ES4s9UpcXqBi{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%} Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. you're trying to force a different outcome via infinite loop. Therefore you must make your opponent's choice to be to not end the turn in order to even propose the loop to begin with. With the release of Magic 2010, all cards that used to say "at end of turn" were changed to say either "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step" (C.R. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. I really need more way to get haste into my deck and he seems like a pretty good add that can help cheat big dude into play that meet his restriction. <i>(Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Sundial of the Infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)Identity Thief - (G) (SF) (txt)Ball Lightning - (G) (SF) (txt)Heat Shimmer - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Before you even reach the "I am demonstrating a loop" statement you're attempting to repeat the board state already, or your loop hasn't resolved a single "NO" response yet. Ignore EoT black discard/life loss effects. Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. Wouldn't underworld breach exile at the end step of the next player: "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Underworld Breach." ), Obeka, Brute Chronologist I just realized that your Avatar "Kaho, Minamo Historian" goes infinite for 6 mana with Finale Fortune o.O, Wish we could find room for Glorious End as well. Sets / Printings. I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. Steal shit, don't give it back. It has Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. But even if you somehow manage to end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) during a cleanup step, this will only move the turn to another cleanup step and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects will end during that new step (C.R. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END. You're not winning any games this way; you're just starting arguements at the table. If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. There are abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the next cleanup step", but they're relatively rare (examples are found in [[Thawing Glaciers]], [[Waylay]], and [[Armor of Thorns]]). What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? This was a great tutorial and explanation of the deck, and well worth the upvote! I was playing a buddy of mine over the weekend and he had a good suggestion for my deck, which relies heavily on recurring creatures or making tokens and then keeping those creatures/tokens by skipping the end of turn triggers: darrenhabib how has the deck been doing for you? before the end step, the turn will move to the cleanup step (skipping any phases and steps in between, including end steps) (C.R. 719.1d; see also C.R. That way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later end step. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. by Cobara86, Time after Time by LordsofChaos115, Sedris, Grave Defiler. Magic Online Promos Rare. 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