And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. The BBC weather presenter, 60 . It was positive only on a small portion of her upper hand where she said the gun touched her when she wrestled with the attacker (a detail she had mentioned before they did the test). No conflict of interest there? Dr. Obrecht Learns if She's a Bone Marrow Match for Willow Plus, Nikolas' Whereabouts Are Revealed. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. "We are obviously disappointed at the verdict. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Their theory was very shaky. 5. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. Not our place to decide. And thats fair enough. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. Many attribute the conviction of Downs to the arrival of author Ann Rule at Downs' trial. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. Tina, if you look at family pictures of the Downs, Christie is the eldest and this is her picture. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter. If the media was anything at the time it was favorable towards her. Were they involved in the plot too?? It is normally done (in fact in many jurisdictions, can ONLY be done) by going through the process in a different state or county then the one the applicant works with. She repeated it years later at school. After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. Is. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. 6. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. It goes on and on. The parole board in Oregon was asking to provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society and it had to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Downs provided both. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . What about the judge stopping a defendant from getting a new attorney? Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. The Six Degrees of Separation of Nancy Grace, Kelli Stapleton- A Mother's Wuthering Woes, http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story, http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf, http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html, http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html, http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228, https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives, Say Her Name But Spell It Right The Tale of Breonna Taylor, And Justice For All The Watts Family Murders, Babe in the Woods & Big Country The Murder of Nicole Vanderheyden, Colonel Russell Williams Where Have You Been? Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: OREGONs Juridical Small Sacrifices Thats the problem with high profile cases. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. I agree on many points with your comment. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. The authorities believed that the children's father was not a good fit to look after the children after what they had endured when their mother tried to murder them. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. Exactly Libby why did they say during the trial that he saw his mom? That is pure bullshit. In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. Comments about the title of the website, the blogger, the bias, details like the word bipolar and when it was used when cyclothymic disorder was diagnosed by the person who treated the subject and there is an affidavit posted. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. Just goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to find the truth. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. Without her daughters testimony and the lies about the gun, they could not have found her guilty in a fair trial. And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever. Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. But Diane couldnt do that. 1. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. He gave temporary custody to Dr. Wilhite. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. Nobody knows but her. Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. Her case was too public and they are afraid of public backlash. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. As you said, the system has to work for everyone and you cant change the rules because a case is high profile without muddying the waters. Diane was just 18 years old but determined to get married. Strange how Jagger is pretty absent too except for the few photos where he is wrongly identified as Hugi. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory We dont know. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. 4. This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. You hit the nail right on the head. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. Critics said she deliberately became pregnant in order to garner sympathy from the jury. I have watched her parole hearing. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? Just state that at the beginning of the blog. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. Due process always matters. Basically, I dont believe the site owner has produced enough proof of anything. Wasnt it speculative on their part? And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. What was the justification? There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. Just a thought. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. Ask them what they did to a good man. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. Page 26 of Case History. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. Ive been to London to Fly the Queen ~ and Back to Collect Artifacts, Haleigh Cummings Was Once Lost but Now She Is Found, Meet Rene Acoby: In-House Female Dangerous Offender, Kelli Stapleton- A Mothers Wuthering Woes. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. Diane had siblings and parents. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. Children imitate their parents every move. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. I agree with your comment. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? Q. I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. Youre right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. It was pitch black outside. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. It was a dark and rural road. We talked about Steve's love of Marvel films and we joked about the staff knowing we were on a blind date because the waitress had . In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. Hed left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. Shes where she belongs. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? 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